Kotaku reports that players of the X-Box 360 version of TF2 will be getting updates before the end of the year — including new maps, modes, weapon unlocks, and achievements — everything PC gamers have already received.
Apparently they are required to charge for it, but they’re hoping for something around the ten dollar range and want to make sure they cram all the goodies they can into the update to make it worthwhile for all the poor souls who play the game on the console.
I think that’s cool — it’s strange to think of a version of TF2 out there without bomb carts, backburners, and blutsaughers, so I’m happy they’ll be getting all the neat shit that’s been drizzling in to us since the game came out. And trust your PC brethren on this note, it’ll be worth the price tag.
174 responses so far ↓
1 Nyarlathotep // Aug 22, 2008 at 12:33 pm
They HAVE to charge for it? Wow, that sucks.
Poor, poor console gamers.
2 Sumguy21 // Aug 22, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Here’s what will happen. Valve will get a taste of the massive profit they will make from the Xbox sales and start charging PC users. PC users won’t take this shit and will start primarily pirating Valve’s games, at which point Valve will be like “Fuck tha PC” and will become an Xbox developer.
Oh well, it was a fun 10 years.
3 Korika // Aug 22, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Poor Poor Console players having to pay for what we got for free
4 Serio // Aug 22, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Sumguy; Can you blame them? Even now, people pirate Valve’s games. Hell, people pirate free games even!
5 rammingspeed42 // Aug 22, 2008 at 12:51 pm
And why is console gaming cooler than PC gaming? I don’t get it.
6 PsychoDuck // Aug 22, 2008 at 12:57 pm
It’s official: PC TF2 > All
The Duck Has Spoken.
7 a westie // Aug 22, 2008 at 12:58 pm
@2: Don’t say that! Don’t even think that! Valve needs to stay around on PC! Otherwise, what will I do instead of working?
If they go 100% console, they’d better support USB Mouse/Keyboards. Do they already do that for the 360/PS3?
8 Mr_Wizard // Aug 22, 2008 at 12:58 pm
The article mentioned PS3 owners. I didnt know it was even on there. Maybe Sony will try to one up microsoft by allowing the update to be free. Although knowing Microsoft they might have put some line in the contract specifically preventing this. It would make good marketing for sony though.
9 a westie // Aug 22, 2008 at 1:03 pm
So, would they be allowed to sell the update, and then throw in future updates for free as they work on the consoles? Otherwise, seems kinda mean. And I kinda doubt they’ll have all the other updates done by the end of the year. This is Valve. They’ve done 3 so far, and they need to do 9 total. They promised it’d get faster, but every step of the way, they think of how to do it bigger and better.
I’m not complaining. Nobody has said Valve is anything but ambitious and generous with these updates. I just can tell console gamers aren’t going to get all nine updates at once, because they need to A: finish the updates on the PC and properly playtest them publically and internally and B: convert the updates to work with the 360 and playtest those to make sure they work right without screwing up balance for console players.
10 Ledundead // Aug 22, 2008 at 1:07 pm
As the official Console Whinebag on this blog, I could not be happier. Apparently, Valve and Microsoft were battling back and forth over releasing it with money. Microsoft won, unfortunately. Anyway, thanks Chris. I owe you one for renewing my hope in TF2.
11 Rawr // Aug 22, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Haha, no its awesome. Charge the hell out of those console gamers. Heck, USE em, squeeze em till they’re dry! Then use that money for the benefit of the naturally superior pc gamers :D.
12 a westie // Aug 22, 2008 at 1:09 pm
So, how much of a cut does microsoft get for DLC? Is it a flat rate, a percentage, or some sort of weird scale? How much would Valve need to charge to break even? I think that would show a lot about how they’re trying to avoid fees.
Also, that has to be the dumbest and most arbitrary thing I’ve ever heard. Lucky thing Microsoft isn’t using their PC market dominance to make software use as annoying.
13 marglark // Aug 22, 2008 at 1:14 pm
you said shit…
also this means that they might be willing to charge for updates for PC games.
Can’t we all just live in harmony without having to pay for anything.
14 marglark // Aug 22, 2008 at 1:14 pm
by the way i meant the word “shit”
it struck me as odd
15 Lorez // Aug 22, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Still won’t have 32 player support, and last I checked the lag on anything over 7 vs 7 was horrendous.
And you can’t really pirate Steam games any way. You can for single player ones, but not things like TF2 unless you run private hacked server.
16 Dave // Aug 22, 2008 at 1:34 pm
HELL
YEAH!
17 Unconcerned Sam // Aug 22, 2008 at 1:45 pm
You know what’s funny?
Console players won’t be able to grind any of the achievements. Not without some sort of mass organisation by friends.
Oh wait. I have TF2 on the PC and the PS3.
Still i find it funny.
18 NativeJovian // Aug 22, 2008 at 1:47 pm
While it’s a bit irksome to have to pay for what the PC crowd’s getting for free, that’s Microsoft’s doing, so I suppose I can’t really lay the blame on Valve.
That said, I have friends that have both the 360 and the PC version (don’t ask me why), and they say that (extra stuff notwithstanding) they prefer the Xbox Live version. I know, shockin, isn’t it? That consoles might actually do something better than PCs?
19 Das Ganon // Aug 22, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Well that’s odd, because I’ve convinced my friends to switch to PC from console for it because paying 20 dollars for the entire game i think is a better deal than paying 50 + 10 + (more with other updates)
and as for microsoft developer, valve would never do such a thing because they WERE microsoft. they know that route all too well. (be forced to make one game until the game doesn’t sell anymore because its such a piece of crap)
20 Pentadact // Aug 22, 2008 at 1:56 pm
What sucks about having to charge for it is that it splits the playerbase in two: the haves aren’t compatible with the have-nots. They haven’t said how they’re doing it yet - it may be that those with the unlocks are able to use them in games against those without, or they may be completely mutually exclusive. Either situation is terrible, and surely not what Valve would wish for.
There’s just no perspective from which Microsoft don’t look evil in this. It’s clear they gouged themselves so horrifically with each sale of the hardware that they have no choice but to gouge back from those who buy it. Right now, for example, I can’t download the Force Unleashed demo because my Gold account expired a while back. You don’t WANT me to have an interactive advert for your game? Ookay, I won’t have it, or buy the game. How did that customer interaction work out for you?
21 Cpt. Falcon // Aug 22, 2008 at 1:59 pm
ugh, consoles go away. keep your fighters and your racers, but leave the shooters to us PC’s.
Macs just stay in your corner. go play number munchers. :D
I’m seriously afraid of this, especially what sumguy21 said. it’s good to hear that valve and microsoft we’re battling over price, and valve was on the free side, but eh. i’m still mad that TF2 is on the consoles at all.
anything xbox’s can do, PC’s can do better. Racing games are natural on a controller, so I have a Saitek xbox 360 look-a-like controller that’s wireless and USB. PC’s ftw.
22 Ledundead // Aug 22, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Cpt. Falcon-
You’d deny us the marvels of no more skywalking, Kritzkreigs, and other PC magicks?
Halo 3 was all we had, until Valve granted us the Orange Box. Now, I only play Halo 3 for my friends, and I play very rarely. Team Fortress 2, with not a single update, is the greatest multiplayer game on the Xbox 360.
Also, Fighters and Racers? Seriously? The only fighter I own is Smash Bros. Why all the hate, man?
23 Eother // Aug 22, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I like PC’s better too, but I don’t see any reason to hate consoles. They’re basically computers designed for a singular purpose, games. Occasionally, I prefer to lounge on the comfort of my couch and play a game on a console.
Also, having to pay for the updates is stupid.
24 Ledundead // Aug 22, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I agree, paying is retarded. Bungie (Halo’s Developer) was allowed to release a map for free, why can’t a superior company like Valve release stuff for free?
25 Unconcerned Sam // Aug 22, 2008 at 2:20 pm
“i’m still mad that TF2 is on the consoles at all.”
What? Did consoles pick on you as a child or something?
How can you be mad? What changes to you? Expect that a console players can enjoy a good multiplayer game.
Anyhoo. @Pendact, I can download the force unleased demo on my ps3 :)
26 Smurfy // Aug 22, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Stupid Microsoft.
27 Generic Username // Aug 22, 2008 at 2:30 pm
“Macs just stay in your corner. go play number munchers. :D”
:(
I liked Math Munchers.
28 Al // Aug 22, 2008 at 2:35 pm
There’s nothing wrong with consoles, I mean, you’re not gonna find Mario on the PC..legally.
But paying for updates really sucks, and that goes for all platforms (ie expansion packs). Nobody should pay extra for a couple fan maps for the same game.
29 Sentry Gun // Aug 22, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Looks like Valve couldn’t get Microsoft to distribute shittons of free content. No surprise there. I wonder how non-paying and paying players will exist together… There’s already a collective nobody playing TF2 on 360/PS3 anymore, though this might bring a lot of them back.
30 Baejung92 // Aug 22, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Nice tag Chris… still have a grudge after the Shacknews interview?
31 Ledundead // Aug 22, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Knowing Console Valve, you won’t be able to play without the updates. It’s cruel, sure, but it’s the most space saving solution.
32 Mr. Munchlax // Aug 22, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Unless EA or another third party asks valve if they can port the updates to the ps3, they won’t be getting them. That’s how the Orange Box got on Ps3 and no one’s asked to port L4D so that’s why it’s not getting a ps3 release. Vlave has stated many times that they aren’t PS3 devs. And it really sucks that Micro$oft is making people pay for the updates but what do I care? I have the PC version. :D
33 Freaky Mutant Man // Aug 22, 2008 at 4:28 pm
If I were developing a game for the Xbox 360, and any downloadable update I release had to be charged for, I’d do my best to ensure somebody who pays for that would get their money’s worth and then some. For Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, you have to pay 500 Microsoft points just to get 4 characters you could’ve had out of the box if you bought the Gold edition of the game. Considering people paying for the TF2 update on console will get tons of new content and balance fixes for probably the same price as the Halo 3 Legendary pack, which contains much less, it’s definitely a much better deal than any other game add-on you could buy on Live. At least it has that going for it.
34 LaZodiac // Aug 22, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Considering the fact that just this morning I had to restart Oblivion because my save is corrupt, this is wonderfull news.
35 gentleman jim // Aug 22, 2008 at 4:42 pm
MATH MUNCHERS FTW!
36 Ledundead // Aug 22, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Freaky Mutant Man-
Halo Legendary was $120.
The Orange Box plus the update is $70.
Math ruins Bungie.
37 rammingspeed42 // Aug 22, 2008 at 5:48 pm
That’s the problem with Console games though, isn’t it? It is crap like this! Not like you’re already paying for Xbox Live in the first place, you gotta shell out more to get updates and stuff that others have gotten for less. But they don’t see this! Well, hardly.
I agree with Chris in the idea that consoles are stupid.
38 AR // Aug 22, 2008 at 6:10 pm
consolols.
39 a westie // Aug 22, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Consoles are starting to sound almost like the cruise-ship of gaming methods. It looks great on paper, but you end up just being herded around by the cruise director and not doing what you want to do. And, of course, you’re nickeled and dimed every step of the way, despite having paid top dollar to come aboard.
40 Ojive // Aug 22, 2008 at 6:18 pm
YES! It’s about time my favorite online FPS was updated! It has been agonizing waiting for them while you talk about all that awesome stuff, and seeing how awesome it really is on my crappy, laggy PC on the free weekends. I’m not even too indignant about the price-it’s just about goddamn time.
41 jordan // Aug 22, 2008 at 6:42 pm
wooot!i finally get to try the pyros air compression thing out! i have been waiting so long for this!
42 jordan // Aug 22, 2008 at 6:45 pm
also, not that anybody cares, but i finally broke the siege of Kvatch! now theres fifty fuckin oblivion gates outside of every city now! @#$%&!
43 Jon T // Aug 22, 2008 at 7:30 pm
The reason PC’s hate on consoles so much is because of what they do to the market. Look at the iPod, for instance. Nice device until it became “the only thing a regular person knows about for portable music”, after which the new models were fairly lackluster (shiny, but inferior to something more functional and useful, like a Zen). That inferiority doesn’t matter, though; the masses own iPods, and the accessory sections at stores are dominated by iPod addons. No one bothers to look for something more functional and sophisticated because they don’t know such things exist.
In terms of consoles and PC’s, the publishers are the addon makers. They see the wider simpler (no offense to those console gamers who know about more than Halo) audience that will pay more for less, and start diluting crossplatform franchises to get more money from them. Look at space combat sims; We went from TIE Fighter and Freespace 2 to Rogue Squadron. MechWarrior to MechAssault. Morrowind to Oblivion (though Morrowind itself was a step down from Daggerfall in some aspects).
In short: Console games sell more. Beloved PC franchises are migrated to the more profitable platform. Console gamers buy into the myths about how expensive PC gaming is and how frustrating it is, and ignore the problems of their consoles, that they break down and are nigh impossible to recover, and that they can ruin a $60 purchase in moments, burning the disc surface from a bump or drive defect.
44 A Person! // Aug 22, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Think of it this way, you console people are paying for us PC gamers next update, that you wont get :D
45 Mr. Brit // Aug 22, 2008 at 8:03 pm
You all sit their laughing about your PC prowess, little realising you lose out on great games( mgs4, little big planet) while beta testing the tf2 update for us. Lol, thx, bye.
46 AlphaHawk // Aug 22, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Mouse > Controller
Infinite too.
47 Mr. Brit // Aug 22, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Yeah, I like who I can lounge in my sofa while I use my mouse.
48 Mr. Brit // Aug 22, 2008 at 8:21 pm
wow, tht was bad. How* and on*, also I should change sofa to couch to avoid confusing the yanks.
49 Xbogey // Aug 22, 2008 at 9:24 pm
1. Fuck you, Mr. Brit. Please die. ^
2. lol consolefags have to pay.
50 Mr_Wizard // Aug 22, 2008 at 9:27 pm
We call them “sofa” as well. And I use my mouse on my sofa. Wireless, look it up. Also the thousands of free games, free mods, free updates. Its only the consoles that start to screw with this model.
Not game related, but let me mention the free video editing software we use to make movies like this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/99-Metal-Gear-Solid-4
51 rammingspeed42 // Aug 22, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Wait, you lost me with sofa. I mean, I’ve never heard of such of thing. This is blowing my mind, man. Just like when I learned you guys had “water.”
I mean, REALLY. WATER. Who could’ve thunk it?
Find all the grammatical problems with that previous sentence, and you’ll win a free split infinitive!
52 Mr. Brit // Aug 22, 2008 at 9:39 pm
50, Name me 1 game he hasn’t trashed when he reviewed them? That’s why they are funny. And I was under the impression a wireless mouse still required a flat surface to use it. Not the same as lying back with a controller. I have stacks of free games from psnetwork and I can get certain mods with a USB stick. I know it’s not the same and I’m hopelessly outnumbered but you can’t just write off consoles. Amongst the shitty sport, racing and beat ‘em up games there are some genuinely innovative titles, little big planet and home for example. MGS4 may have cutscenes that last forever, it’s beautifu, exciting and laughing octopus is absaloutly awesome! Google image her.
49, I’ll get right on that.
53 n00bie51 // Aug 22, 2008 at 9:39 pm
I’m finally glad we’re getting the content; I understood Valve was working for it, but I didn’t think they made any concrete progress until now.
People may say, “Poor, poor consoles,” but really, it’s usually PC gamers that get cut out of all the console-exclusives. This time, it was the other way.
The PC version will definitely always remain the better experience for me however.
54 Mr. Brit // Aug 22, 2008 at 9:45 pm
pah
55 Sgnl // Aug 22, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Consoles, collectively, are a faggot.
I couldn’t imagine playing TF2 anywhere but on my good ol’ PC. My friend and I used to play shooters on his X-Box in its “glory” days, but how could anyone ever go back to that when they’ve played with an actual mouse and keyboard? Besides, the PC gaming community is decidedly and consistently less retarded than the console community. Why anyone would settle for console gaming is beyond me.
56 Mr. Brit // Aug 22, 2008 at 10:02 pm
clearly not retarded enough to attribute a singular noun to a plural. A chicken is not birds, consoles are not a faggot.
57 Mr_Wizard // Aug 22, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Well, I can name 3. All in one video though: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/10-The-Orange-Box
That was too easy, are you sure you are British? ;D Not that I am really ragging on consoles or even the Metal Gear series.
The mouse works well on my lap, although a prefer my remote that can transfer its movement to the mouse, for normal browsing, not gaming.
I am not particularly rich either, dont let me fool you. <.< A lot of what I am using is 4 years old. Heck, I am still using an AGP graphics card.
58 Mr. Brit // Aug 22, 2008 at 10:16 pm
are you sure you’re a wizard? ;)
59 Sgnl // Aug 22, 2008 at 10:45 pm
@Mr. Brit
I’ve never seen anyone switch singular and plural nouns accidentally. Ever. Maybe some people do, I don’t know. But when it’s done on purpose in an obvious manner, it’s supposed to be funny. Perhaps I should add an emoticon at the end of all my non-serious sentences to let people like you know I’m kidding? Let’s try:
Consoles, collectively, are a faggot. ;)
No. No, I shouldn’t, because emoticons are fucking retarded and anyone who uses them should die. Also, I am not the PC community.
60 Mr_Wizard // Aug 22, 2008 at 10:49 pm
“Also, I am not the PC community.”
Thank natural selection for that.
61 Password // Aug 22, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Well, the reason I generally prefer console gaming is because I have a lot of friends who like to play with me. We like to just sit on the couch and kill eachother for a few hours while laughing and having a good time the whole way. And as much as PC gaming is great for online and stuff, it’s just not the same as a LAN party. I think PC gaming is obviously more single-player, online oriented. Which is good, but what if you just want to hang with friends and play some games for awhile?
Also, I find it funny when people argue. First, people agreed that video-games were good. Then people starting arguing which platform is better. Then people argue what game is better. Now we’re arguin which version of the same game is the best platform to play on!? WHEN WILL IT EVER END!?
62 Password // Aug 22, 2008 at 11:29 pm
I guess it’s simply beyond our comprehension to appreciate anything. It always has to be one or the other.
This game or This game
This show or This show
This platform or This platform
People can never wrap their mind around the possibility that maybe, perhaps, BOTH might be good? NAH! The one I like is always better! I MUST DEFEND MY E-PEEN POINTS! I WORKED HARD TO GET THESE!
63 Mr. Brit // Aug 22, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Sgnl, your ‘joke’ was so painfully weak i assumed it was a mistake. What was the joke implying? Obviously you are not the PC community, i think they are capeable of a decent argument instead of calling everything retarded and a faggot.
Oh, ur mum ain’t not stoopid. ;) ;) ;) ;D
64 Mr. Brit // Aug 22, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Password, that was what I tried to point out @52
I hate it when people write off something for no reason other than they are a faggot. ;)
65 jordan // Aug 22, 2008 at 11:35 pm
can you guys be quiet? im trying to watch tv!
66 Mr. Brit // Aug 22, 2008 at 11:38 pm
sorry for all the noise
67 Cpt. Falcon // Aug 22, 2008 at 11:45 pm
It’s not that I hate consoles or console gamers. I just don’t like console shooters.
It’s not that I don’t like console gamers that play shooters, I just wish they’d stop playing console shooters.
they’re just better on the PC.
@Password:
“People can never wrap their mind around the possibility that maybe, perhaps, BOTH might be good?”
both wouldn’t be good, if you were your wallet.
I have a PC. i’d love to have a Wii. I’d like to have a PS3 so i could really play the MGS series.
I wish i had a 36o so i can… so i could… erm, hmm. I wish i had a 360 so i could play geometry wars.
but so much money! I can barely afford my usable PC plus my manageable ISP!! thank goodness I got orange box for christmas!
anyway, what the hell was chris’s blog post talking about?! all I remember is consoles, and games. maybe something about console-games.
68 Cpt. Falcon // Aug 22, 2008 at 11:47 pm
lol @jordan.
it is funny how people think it’s rude to write in allcaps just like how its rude to yell for no reason.
speaking of allcaps, with the free weekend there comes many an underaged gamer.
There needs to be a law for “you must be 13 to play online, and 15 to use a microphone.”
this law needs to be very strictly enforced.
69 jordan // Aug 22, 2008 at 11:50 pm
captain falcon, pc shooters are better to YOU. personally, i cant use the mouse very well, but i can use the controller easily. so, to ME, console shooters are better.
70 jordan // Aug 22, 2008 at 11:52 pm
and the mic voice problem is on consoles too. god, sometimes i just want to yell “at least PRETEND you have balls!”
71 Cpt. Falcon // Aug 23, 2008 at 12:15 am
@jordan:
Yea, it’s hard to break old habits. Once you start with one style of play, it’s hard to get used to the others. All i’m saying is that i’ve never seen a controller gamer aim as well as a mouse+keyboard gamer.
And I’m serious about the age limit thing. However they enforce the laws about “you must be 18+ to view this website” is how they can enforce “you must be 13+ to play this game online”. Seriously. I’ve never heard of anyone getting busted because they lied and pressed “yes I’m atleast 18 years of age” but there’s still gotta be something to it.
72 Password // Aug 23, 2008 at 12:54 am
@ Capt. Flacon.
That’s also a very good point with the money. But don’t you see that also applies to everyone? Perhaps, someone simply didn’t want to spend the money to get a PC and got a console instead. Does that make them any less of a gamer? I don’t think so.
Different topic: Seriously, after seeing comments saying that consoles should not get tf2, I just don’t understand. So is the point some of you people are trying to get across, “This game kicks ass! But I don’t want anybody else to enjoy it. Because I know that only me and a select few will truly appreciate it.”
And what’s all this splitting people into two groups? Console gamers are only console gamers and PC gamers are only PC gamers? I own both, so where does that put me?
73 thezeus18 // Aug 23, 2008 at 1:34 am
Kotaku is so much better than Shacknews.
74 Fleeka // Aug 23, 2008 at 1:57 am
Hopefully with this they’ll fix the lag issues. I had to purchase the orange box for a while due to my computer at the time being crap. However, I traded it in as soon as I got my new PC. The main problem with TF2 on the xbox is the lag issues. For a game that has to have 8 people per team to be really fun, it lags with 7 per team.
75 Mr. Brit // Aug 23, 2008 at 2:00 am
No lag on the ps3, there’s the problem.
76 Hogger596 // Aug 23, 2008 at 2:10 am
I’m just glad the X-Box players get the updates, I got tired of seeing complaints everywhere.
(No offence)
77 Gothic // Aug 23, 2008 at 3:38 am
I hate gaming on a console, but I don’t hate console gamers.
I mean, who the hell in real life takes one second to execute an about-turn?
78 Lack_26 // Aug 23, 2008 at 3:48 am
I think many people have forgotten that this ‘console rivalry’ lark is just a bit of fun. I mean, sure the PC has a lot of great advantages, but a couple of hundred pounds can mean a lot to people when they just want to play games. All my friends use their consoles as their main gaming platform, this means I always have to play with people I’ve never met before. Not that I’m complaining about that, I’ve met a lot of great people over the internet, but you can’t easily share in the communal memory of a group of people you know personally.
In many ways it just seems to be a matter of perception, PCs are not that hard to maintain, providing you have a bit of ‘know-how’. But they have the perception of being so. Most of my friends have PCs perfectly capable of playing a lot of games, but when they look at the new ’shiny’ games, like CoD 4, they assume that their computer won’t be able to play it (they all agree that the early CoD is better on PC, they just haven’t tried the latter ones). Through this perception they won’t even think about upgrading a PC. Consoles sell themselves on the perception of being simple, this is perfectly viable and most consoles will work well enough to just ‘plug-’n-play’. My point is, sure have a console, but don’t be afraid to try using your PC for games, you never know, it might just be fun.
79 Joe Glenn // Aug 23, 2008 at 4:54 am
To be honest, they’re really not missing THAT much. The alt-weapons are balanced well enough that overall, they have very little impact on gameplay. It’s too bad they dont have gold rush but the original maps are quite good as well.
80 jordan // Aug 23, 2008 at 5:37 am
@ whoever talked about xbox lag and complimented ps3, two answers are available.
1.(the ps3 compliment) dont go there. this isn’t a fight you want to start. ever.
2.(xbox lag) only if you choose a bad connection server. (the three green bars)
81 Still Not Chris // Aug 23, 2008 at 6:11 am
@Gothic
Who the hell takes a quarter-second break turning every 45 degrees?
82 Still Not Chris // Aug 23, 2008 at 6:14 am
Just wanted to get that out of the way.
I enjoy playing the 360 version, sometimes more than the pc one. Sometimes I like smaller games, sometimes I like bigger. I’m glad we/they’re getting the updates too.
83 Erik Z // Aug 23, 2008 at 6:33 am
I hope valve makes money on the Xbox upgrade. They deserve it.
I went back to playing Battlefield 2142 for a while because I missed the vehicles. And it’s eye opening how much thought Valve put into TF2.
84 Lockandkey // Aug 23, 2008 at 7:56 am
Fuck that! “Required to charge for it”, my ass! Making people pay for free stuff, that’s all it is…
When you buy a game, anything added on to that game should be sent to you for no charge.This atmosphere of “release the bare-bones version, charge more for all the rest” is an obviously dishonest money making scheme. It provides an incentive for developers to release what amounts to an unfinished game, then selling you bits and pieces of the real game at their leisure, for big money. How is this even legal? If I sold you a house, but didn’t build a roof, you wouldn’t pay me extra for the roof four months later, you’d sue me.
Just wait until they start charging you real money for the bullets you shoot.
85 AlphaHawk // Aug 23, 2008 at 8:18 am
Heh, did my comment on controllers and mouses start this grammar nazism? :/ I mean I like being a grammar nazi sometimes, but this is bonkers O.o
86 B.C. // Aug 23, 2008 at 9:09 am
Id get it on PC if my computer wasnt such a horrendous piece of shit.
87 Bleh // Aug 23, 2008 at 10:28 am
Anyone who thinks the console version of a First Person Shooter is better when there’s a PC version needs an education and a gaming PC. Consoles are odd and not natural in terms of aiming. That being said, well, now maybe I can convince my 360 gamer friend to buy Orange Box.
88 Bleh // Aug 23, 2008 at 10:50 am
Re-reading the comments, people say it’s “harder” to play PC if you start on consoles. Bullcrap. Play single player on easy a few times, them medium, THEN go to online servers.
89 Cpt. Falcon // Aug 23, 2008 at 10:58 am
@Lack_26:
Thank you, that’s what most of us PC gamers mean.
Chris better have a new blog post real soon, this flame war is dying down and conflicts are being resolved.
CHRIS HURRY!! we need controversy to bicker over!!
FILL YOU POST WITH PLENTY OF GRAMMAR ERRORS! being a nazi is fun!!
90 Bleh // Aug 23, 2008 at 11:10 am
I got a blog post for Chris. Anyone notice how 2 steam games are weekend deals this weekend? (Audiosurf, Beyond Good and Evil)
91 Starfucker Supreme // Aug 23, 2008 at 11:12 am
I’ve got it on both and I prefer the PC version but console controls aren’t as bad as everyone thinks.
92 n00bie51 // Aug 23, 2008 at 11:17 am
What Supreme said. ^
I personally think PC gaming is superior to the console, but the way some people here are acting is down right fan boyism.
93 rammingspeed42 // Aug 23, 2008 at 11:41 am
@Lack: Consoles have that nice plug and play, you’re right. They’re easy to maintain (not at all), and that’s good. The people at large who want to play don’t want to worry about having a box that goes out of style, until the next generation comes along. They just sit down when they feel like it and tally up the headshots. To be honest, I don’t like to be suckered into buying an entire new console, which is why I didn’t progress past N64, the Xbox, and PS2. If you think I’m kidding, don’t even.
PC gamers, who are, by all proof (this argument included), geeks amongst geeks, like to have that extra control. There is something about finding the right combination of graphics card, processor, and everything else that they like. I like it; just got a 64 bit, dual core, DirectX 10 compatible box, and it is GREAT. I like knowing that I can do what I like without voiding warantees.
To each his own. So, let’s all live in gaming harmony, okay guys? We all have our tastes. We can pretty much agree that TF2 was built with the compy in mind, and that games like Halo and MGS are good on the consoles. We should be able to come together under the name of gaming, and put aside all of our petty differences.
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Plus, Steam is free, so hah….
94 ninjamonkee123 // Aug 23, 2008 at 12:27 pm
God, yes. I’ve wanted these updates for so long.
I have a mac, plus I just broke my keyboard and I’m too cheap to buy a new one even. So I can only get good games on my Xbox.
95 Unconcerned Sam // Aug 23, 2008 at 12:29 pm
@Lockandkey “Just wait until they start charging you real money for the bullets you shoot.”
There is a game like that, you buy bullets for you gun. But you can win money on it too.
The name of it slips my mind though…
96 Kazill // Aug 23, 2008 at 12:45 pm
As the back-up console whinebag on this blog, I would just like to stay that I’m very happy about getting this update.
Sure, I’ll complain about having to pay for it, but that’s the consequence of playing on Xbox. We all know that Microsoft are money-grubbing whores. Oh well.
97 AlphaHawk // Aug 23, 2008 at 1:00 pm
@95:
It was like a game where you’re an individual Private Military guy right?
98 Unconcerned Sam // Aug 23, 2008 at 1:00 pm
@97
Nope, some sort of betting game. Looked like a quake clone.
99 Cochrane // Aug 23, 2008 at 1:03 pm
What surprises me is that Gmod hasn’t been mentioned yet, even though this was meant to be a blog about a comic done with that once. There’s no way in hell you could make Gmod work on a console because there’s way too few buttons and no option to download anything that hasn’t been approved by the console vendor. Sure, for a lot of people that isn’t a problem, but for those who like Gmod, it’s a deal-breaker. No matter what happens, I can’t believe that this is advantage for the PC is going to disappear any time soon.
100 Unconcerned Sam // Aug 23, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Well you could provide keyboard and mouse support for it.
But you still wouldn’t get the user-made content. Easily…
UT3 is a good example of pc conversions, it has Keyboard and mouse support and you can download mods for it.
101 n00bie51 // Aug 23, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Unconcerned Sam, I think the name of the game where you are required to purchase your ammunition that you mentioned is Kwari.
102 Mr. Brit // Aug 23, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Imagine how much the heavy ammo would cost….
103 a westie // Aug 23, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Mr Brit: It’s pretty much cannon that it’s $200 per round, $800 per measured ammunition. Valve would make a killing, and it would keep the servers from having too many heavy at the moment.
104 Kazill // Aug 23, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Gmod is one of those things I dream of actually getting to screw around with one day, but as you said Cochrane, console users can’t use it and therefore the PC has an advantage. Valve is a PC company. It’s understandable that consoles would come second due to all the middlemen they have to garrot to get consoles the content. ‘Tis a shame but oh well.
But either way I’m still gonna complain, because this is America!
105 jimborb // Aug 23, 2008 at 3:47 pm
well, i’m not even going to go into my preference of the xbox 360 (mainly because im a student who can’t afford a top spec desktop)
still, you guys want controversy: Halo Wars - a console exclusive RTS (like command and conquer, which i have on the 360 too).
knowing chris he’s probably posted a new blog entry just as i post this. And just so you guys know, i’m posting this with a psp and gawd my fingers hurt.
106 jimborb // Aug 23, 2008 at 3:50 pm
thats the epitamy of console-handheld-pc relations i think.
damn it i need a bloody medal after posting this lot.
107 Dorian Cornelius Jasper // Aug 23, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Hello again, AlphaHawk. Keep your knife where I can see it.
This is only one of several reasons I never bothered to buy a this-gen console. Since there’s actually games I’m looking forward to coming out on the PS2, and since my PC is a decent enough machine, the temptations of the seventh console generation haven’t worked their magic on me.
That, and Microsoft is clearly holding their own customers to the gun here. The sad thing is, there’s a number of comments on other sites blaming Valve for this whole mess–that they’re taking advantage of console customers. Nevermind that Microsoft’s been nickel-and-dimeing these very people for years now, and this is just another case of that.
Of course, replace those cents with ten-dollar bills and the scale becomes a bit clearer.
The concept of “paid downloadable content” pales compared to the concept of “free downloadable content.” Which the PC has in spades.
108 Generic Username // Aug 23, 2008 at 4:57 pm
C&C is mainly for PC. It’s not 360-exclusive.
Halo Wars might work, on the other hand, since it was built specifically for the 360 and probably will work.
109 Unconcerned Sam // Aug 23, 2008 at 5:17 pm
@n00bie51: that’s the one!
Command and Conquer a 360 exclusive? I’ll come back in few days when my sides aren’t splitting. Some one need to do their homework.
Halo wars is an exclusive because halo is a predominantly console game. Halo never did too well on the pc, so it’s unlikely that anyone would buy it on the pc, when compared with a massive fan base of halo already foaming at the mouth on the 360.
110 A Person! // Aug 23, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Tomorrow is TF2’s Birthday, meaning birthday mode will be enabled on every single server, no matter what you do!
111 n00bie51 // Aug 23, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Generic Username, Halo Wars is going to have mediocre controls, I guarantee you. They’re still trying to translate a PC-style RTS with a top-down perspective into the limiting gamepad with controls similar to what you see in C&C3 360.
RTS on consoles = mediocrity or straight out fail. Devs really need to find a new, innovative way for the gamepad to work with RTS titles, not the traditional gameplay and layout that PC RTS offers.
112 Starfucker Supreme // Aug 23, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Tom Clancy’s Endwar?
113 AlphaHawk // Aug 23, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Didn’t know you posted here Dorian :D
I’ll keep my knife out, but it never seems to catch your eye…maybe it’s because your eye is always in the scope :)
114 rammingspeed42 // Aug 23, 2008 at 6:39 pm
EndWar is the only RTS in the history of the world that makes me want to play it.
My hat off to Tom Clancy.
115 jordan // Aug 23, 2008 at 6:53 pm
endwar looks great.
as for halo wars, i dowloaded some exclusive shit from xbl and they said they weren’t going to translate from pc controls, they were designing completely new controls specifically designed for the game. also, do you people who use the pc more than anything els consider halo to be our counter strike? thats what it seems like.
and finally, when you are expressing your feelings on what you think is best, mention that they are YOUR feelings, not the entire gaming community.
116 Dan // Aug 23, 2008 at 7:03 pm
The only reason I play on a console is because my computer is shit. The day I get a computer that can run something like TF2 is the day I stop playing on my 360. (though consoles have a lot more exclusives than computers)
117 Chuc // Aug 23, 2008 at 10:48 pm
This is good news (aside from the charging part).
118 Cpt. Falcon // Aug 24, 2008 at 12:30 am
@jordan:
mostly. When you think of a PC, you think of office work, maintenance, internet browsing, and playing online. When you think of a gaming PC, you think of Counter-Strike or WoW.
When you think of an Xbox, sometimes you can’t even remember the name and you instinctively call it “thing that plays Halo”.
What I’m saying is the Xbox is more known for Halo then PC’s are for CS or CSS.
119 jimborb // Aug 24, 2008 at 1:15 am
yeah, i should have been clearer about C&C3 not being a 360 exclusive.
still, i agree with dan here, the moment i can afford a top spec PC to go with my TV i’ll be ditching my 360 for TF2 and supreme commander.
120 jimborb // Aug 24, 2008 at 1:19 am
have to adnit though, console shooters would be far better with mouse and keyboard support.
121 LaZodiac // Aug 24, 2008 at 1:38 am
I agree Jimborb. I think. Haven’t tried keyboard and mouse, I think I’ll fail the keyboard part what with not being ambidextarious. Honeslty, the Wii should get TF2 because of the motion aiming.
122 Dorian Cornelius Jasper // Aug 24, 2008 at 4:08 am
Well, if consoles allowed that, it’d provide something of an unfair advantage to people playing on keyboard-mouse. Because someone familiar with that scheme of play in an FPS can acquire potential targets and threats then “remove” them much more quickly–and with greater precision–than someone playing with a gamepad. Even when you have aim-assistance for the gamepad character, it’s widely known that a mediocre keyboard-mouse FPS player is roughly on par with the best gamepad, due to the lack of pixel-precision on thumbpads and the abundance of said quality in mice.
There’s a reason why Shadowrun had to go out of its way to gimp its PC players–the console players otherwise wouldn’t have stood a chance.
Then again, that game was kind of rubbish, anyway.
Granted, not many classes require the level of fine precision in TF2 that a mouse provides. Though naturally, for others, mouse sensitivity and precision is a matter of life-and-death.
Take me, for instance. I imagine if I played TF2 on the 360, my ability to suppress and eliminate threats on the fly would be greatly hindered.
I guess the 360 must be Heavy Heaven, then.
123 Dorian Cornelius Jasper // Aug 24, 2008 at 4:16 am
EDIT to the Above, sorry for the double post.
In looking around, apparently there’s console FPSes with mouse-keyboard support. Just, I think, not on the 360.
Apparently Microsoft doesn’t want to cannibalize their PC market. Heh.
124 Unconcerned Sam // Aug 24, 2008 at 5:28 am
@112
That’s changing the way we play RTS on a console.
125 jimborb // Aug 24, 2008 at 8:37 am
well, regardless, i’m going to be getting a pc instead of any new consoles, it’s nice to be able to invite friends over to kill each other on halo for a couple of hours but i feel that the pc is the better - provided you have some knowledge of what a decent computer should have - shame you can’t gut the 360’s mac based hardware and use it to upgrade a desktop.
Chris, can we have a new blog post please? i’m tired of being sensible.
126 Mr Brit // Aug 24, 2008 at 9:53 am
The PS3 has 2 usb slots which I’m fairly certain support a mouse and keyboard. I haven’t noticed a great deal of precision difference between it and the PC in TF2 but imagine other games suffer.
127 LaZodiac // Aug 24, 2008 at 10:07 am
I’m going to be getting a new computer as well, though my specifications are much less intelligent. I need the biggest gig hard drive I can get, and a Pixel Shader 2. Thats all I need because thats all thats needed to play TF2 and Spore.
I don’t find it wierd to own and plan to play both 360 and PC version.
128 Mike // Aug 24, 2008 at 10:33 am
^”a Pixel Shader 2″? Do you think that’s, like, a product that’s sold separately or something?
129 Krashcourse // Aug 24, 2008 at 10:52 am
Poor me has no fast computer to play Teem Fortress on, but I was ecstatic when I heard the news. TF2 on PC and 360 are different, but fun nonetheless
130 Sane Intolerant // Aug 24, 2008 at 10:57 am
I don’t see what the big deal about charging for the content is. It’s ten freaking dollars, not the end of the world.
131 LaZodiac // Aug 24, 2008 at 11:02 am
As far as I know Mike, the Pixel Shader 2 comes inbeded in the computer. My current computer doesn’t have one.
Sane Intolerant, your words remind me of when Gary’s Mod was bought up by Valve.
132 Unconcerned Sam // Aug 24, 2008 at 11:16 am
@130
Because if they start charging now, where will it stop?
Not to mention it’s free at the moment on the pc and the next load will be free too.
133 Smurfy // Aug 24, 2008 at 11:25 am
What is Xbox.
134 jimborb // Aug 24, 2008 at 1:04 pm
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no comment
135 Mr. Brit // Aug 24, 2008 at 1:23 pm
@133, an ancient religious book that tells of the end of the world by the God, Halo. It was recently modernised to include a battle between Halo and top players of each of the TF2 classes, who will be provided with the updates for £10 as part of Microsoft’s evil dreams to see the world destroyed. Valve takes the part of the grizzled mentor and wished to make vital updates free. Hope that helped.
136 Sgnl // Aug 24, 2008 at 1:40 pm
@123
really? I know a fair amount of console owners, but i’ve never seen one with a mouse-keyboard setup. i think they all much prefer the controller.
@130
i really don’t get it either. It’s 10$ for all the previous updates, right? Not 10$ per update? cause that would be fucking crazy. Otherwise, i don’t really get what people are bitching about.
and to anyone who read my previous posts, now you know why I hardly ever leave comments where people i don’t know will read them. everybody always assumes I am crazy angry or irrational, and it makes me sad. :’( textual communication is a pain for people who are used to the other kind, you know, verbal.
ps: FUCKING MICROSOFT ALWAYS CHARGING FOR UPDATES GRRRRRFGHHFHJGKLDSJGSDSSSSSS
137 Sgnl // Aug 24, 2008 at 1:42 pm
oh and one last thing: shouldn’t the update fee have been expected? doesn’t micrososososoft charge for most of their game updates and addons and whatnot on the 360? can someone please explain this to me in a simple, blisteringly obvious way?
the only thing that surprised me is that they’re not charging for each class update separately.
138 Mr. Brit // Aug 24, 2008 at 2:03 pm
@136, the correct spelling is GRRRRFGHHFHJGKLDSJGSDSSSSS
You had one too many R’s and S’s. ;)
I didn’t think you were crazy angry, but calling consoles a faggot was a little irrational. Still, what’s the internet for if not for shouting crazed theories at other people?
139 n00bie51 // Aug 24, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Supreme, I was thinking EndWar too. My hat also goes off to the devs for actually realizing innovative gameplay to bring the RTS to the console.
I played the beta, but I couldn’t get into it, for multiple reasons.
One, being that the camera controls sucked ass, or they felt too limiting, in my opinion. Two, there was no tutorial for learning on how to play, so players were forced into the online ranked multiplayer without being taught some things. There’s more to explaining the game than allowing players to watch a diagram of the controls. Also, the frame rate and the overall visuals of the game were not impressive.
Hopefully, they can get all that resolved, after all, it’s just a beta. Then again, I said the same thing when developers failed to improve upon the issues that I saw in the COD4 and H3 betas.
Jordan, I understand Halo Wars is being built from the ground up for the Xbox 360, controls, engine, and everything. I just don’t think it’s going to be as good as a mouse and keyboard.
You can see it here:
http://www.halowarsaddict.com/Halo_Wars_Post_Alpha_Control_Scheme-id69
Nothing they can do at this point will change the fact that their controls are unsurprisingly similar to what I’ve seen in C&C3 and LOTR:BFME2 for the 360. They’re still thinking the imprecise thumb sticks and inputs make up for the lack of hotkeys and the precision of the mouse. Whereas console shooters have been proven through titles like Halo that they can have great controls (though in my opinion, will never be on par with PC shooters), you can’t get away with using the gamepad in RTS games with this kind of gameplay and these kind of controls, the ones we see in the traditional PC-style RTS title that Halo Wars seems to so emulate. (Also, when I saw a demonstration video for HW, I couldn’t believe how bland and how much innovation it lacked. There was nothing in that game I haven’t seen been done in another before.)
Cornelius Jasper, it’s not actually Heavy Heaven. In fact, I think I could say it seems like that’s one of the least played classes! At the least, I found it rare to find a Heavy who topped the scoreboard.
140 Dan // Aug 24, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Chris, maybe the reason you didn’t get the shacknews spot is because you refer to it as an “X-Box.”
141 Dorian Cornelius Jasper // Aug 24, 2008 at 4:14 pm
@136:
I think that’s more an issue of control scheme familiarity than anything else.
@137: (Who is the same fellow)
Let’s be glad that Valve wouldn’t stand for that sort of customer exploitation, then.
@139:
That’s actually pretty strange. A Heavy with a reliable Medic is likely to rack up huge amounts of points–his Medic, too.
Maybe he’s just not as obvious a necessity for victory seeing as how the 360 doesn’t have any Payload maps yet.
142 Kazill // Aug 24, 2008 at 4:33 pm
In the console version, demomen and soldiers are in my opinion the most common classes. I think the least common is scout or spy. At least, that how it seems to me. We get a good bit of everything. Plus, with the sensitivity bumped up, controllers seem to be just as responsive as a mouse. But then again, what can I say.
143 Ledundead // Aug 24, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Really, Kazill? I think Heavy is least played, followed by Medic. Most players only switch out of necessity. Recently I’ve been playing Heavy and I’ve been racking up points, especially on Dustbowl.
144 LaZodiac // Aug 24, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Everyone ignores the Wii. It has a great shooter, Metroid Prime 3, and its motion control firing and its control stick turning are the perfect blend between the two extremes, the PC’s perfect aiming but not that good turning (from hearsay) and the 360’s shitty aiming but non segmented turning (still hearsay)
145 rammingspeed42 // Aug 24, 2008 at 7:46 pm
I think that TF2 should be ported to the Intellivision.
146 n00bie51 // Aug 24, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Jasper, I know a competent Heavy+Medic pair racks up good points, they’re just rare on the Xbox 360. Surprisingly, I think the thumb stick is actually what turns players off; on the PC, players get that extra control and precision with the mouse on the relatively inaccurate chain gun, but on the Xbox 360, it’s different. It’s still not Heavy Heaven, although I’ve been playing Heavy on the Xbox 360 frequently with some good Medics and topping the scoreboards (but that could be just because most of them suck).
I doubt introducing Payload maps will increase the number of Heavies either, or at the very least, it’s not like they can’t be effectively be used now.
I have to agree with Ledundead. And the sensitivity for the thumb stick is nowhere near the caliber of a mouse maxed out at 20 speed.
147 Zealot_Guy // Aug 24, 2008 at 11:03 pm
I realy don’t care if I have to pay or not. It’s just that the large update emount will cause the console community to be cut in half. the bunch that buy the updates and the cheep fucks who didn’t. Me, I have my own damned credit card so I’m buying the update no matter what it costs. Assuming it’s reasonable. If not then I’m going to go to the steam bords and call valve a fag.
148 Zealot_Guy // Aug 24, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Also, that update BETTER come to the PS3 or me and a few million of us ‘console tards’ are going to storm Valve and EA games.
149 Niteowl // Aug 25, 2008 at 12:11 am
FIRST!
150 Niteowl // Aug 25, 2008 at 12:11 am
Well, shit.
151 Jimborb // Aug 25, 2008 at 12:58 am
Niteowl, i think you just achieved the epitamy of “Fail”
And bah, i’ll be getting the update regardles of cost, i can’t see valve charging more that 400 MSPoints for it (about… $5/$6? or £4.50 - i know the exchange rate is out, that’s how micro$oft work) i mean it’s not like they’re charging me about £9 for 4 crappy maps that i’ve played before in previous versions of the game. *looks angrily at COD4 and Halo 3*
still, How would the PC players feel if valve had charged for this content from the beginning? would you all have got the updates regardless because Valve is so much Win and Awesome? or would you have turned round and shouted “screw you Valve” because you were being charged money for other people’s hard work?
To end my point i think i shoul say that the Xbox 360 is being made at a loss, Micro$oft make their money by doing stuff like this, but i don’t mind, someone point out to me where i can find a PC capable of running TF2 for £180? (approx. $360).
Rant mode Off.
152 LaZodiac // Aug 25, 2008 at 1:38 am
Thank you Jimborb. Of all the intelligent things I’ve read here today, that was probably the king of them all.
Mostly the juxtaposition thing near the middle. I shouldn’t post at 2 in the morning.
153 Deadly_Dragon // Aug 25, 2008 at 2:38 am
I understand why people have consoles. I have a PS3 meself. But, seeing as all of us here have a PC (unless you’re using a console web browser), I don’t see the reasoning behind getting the more expensive and disadvantaged console version of the Box.
Also, I don’t see the reasoning behind getting a 360, which just gets crappy PC ports and crappy Halo. :D
154 Gothic // Aug 25, 2008 at 3:21 am
Note that Micro$oft is the one trying to charge for things here.
Also, Niteowl fails SO DAMN HARD I laughed for a good one or two minutes there.
155 n00bie51 // Aug 25, 2008 at 4:25 am
Niteowl also amused me. He deserves a nice big sugar cookie with Macadamia nuts in it, unless he’s allergic, which by then it should be replaced with a healthy soy substitute.
Jimborb, I am also getting the new content regardless of cost. We don’t like having to pay for it either, but at this point people are so starved for the updates and new content we really don’t mind. The price is right. PC gamers are spoiled in this way, but it’s okay, because we get ripped off by console-exclusives.
Deadly_Dragon, if you don’t understand the reasoning behind getting a 360, I don’t see the reasoning behind getting a PS3, either. :P
The 360 has definitely more than crappy PC ports, but at the same time, it definitely has its fair share of them. Like The Orange Box. The core experience of TOB still survives, though, so that just shows how awesome Valve’s work was.
156 Sam // Aug 25, 2008 at 5:10 am
Jesus, chris may aswell make a 1fort forum.
157 Gothic // Aug 25, 2008 at 6:02 am
Niteowl: Achievement Unlocked: First, Fail Very Hard - Post “FIRST!” 100 or more posts after the first guy actually posts.
158 a westie // Aug 25, 2008 at 6:18 am
@156/Sam: You know, I think the ratio of pointless comments to insightful comments increases exponentially as the comment count goes up. Actually, one FIRST! is usually a given. A basic formula, where P = Pointless, I = Insightful, and N=total comments.
P=(1+(N^2)/50)
N-P= I
N- (1+(N^2)/50) = I
159 Mr. Brit // Aug 25, 2008 at 6:31 am
N=158
Hence P=(1+(158^2)/50)=500.28
Hence I=158-500.28=-342.28
Therefore there are no insightful comments on this post.
The values change when this comment is taken into account:
N=159
Hence P=(1+(159^2)/50)=506.62
Hence I=158-506.62=-348.62
160 Mr. Brit // Aug 25, 2008 at 6:32 am
In order for an insightful comment to be posted, first 349 comments must be posted to balance it out, yet with each comment posted the value needed rises. I can’t be botheres to calculate when insightful comments kick in, but after about 400 comments is a good bet.
161 Kazill // Aug 25, 2008 at 7:10 am
First of all, I stand corrected. Heavy’s and Medics are least played it seems.
Second of all, overall, I don’t really care about the cost at this point. It’s over my head. And nobody else will care either once they start back-burning, kritzkreiging, and delivering payloads. Sure we’ll bitch and moan now, but when it all arrives, the complaints will just float off with the wind.
Third of all, bravo Nightowl.
Fourth of all, even though the console doesn’t have the responsiveness of mouse, I still seem to able to shank people well enough. I’m too adjusted to the analog sticks for a mouse. I tried to play half-life 2 deathmatch at a friends house and got owneded. For me, the low sensitivity only affects my scout play. It’s all about your preference.
162 Mike // Aug 25, 2008 at 7:35 am
WHAR R UPDATES
163 Mr. Brit // Aug 25, 2008 at 7:37 am
I have 39 points as a scout on the PS3, I don’t think it makes that much of a difference because it is a level playing field. Everyone has the same sensitivity so it doesn’t matter. It’s when xbox plays PC you get problems.
164 Christopher // Aug 25, 2008 at 7:51 am
@Niteowl. You crack me up.
@Jimborb. Interesting point. How would TF2 on the PC be doing if Valve did charge for the updates?
PC gamers would still have a huge advantage over the consoles, since there would still be hundreds of new custom maps to play, along with custom plugins and game modes and stuff. So even if you didn’t want to buy new content, there’s still plenty of new content you can add for free.
165 rammingspeed42 // Aug 25, 2008 at 8:42 am
Happy Birthday to the Concept of Team Fortress!!! Even though it was yesterday!!!
166 Jimborb // Aug 25, 2008 at 8:46 am
That’s a good point Chris, the onyl real downside to that would be when you want to play in a server that contains a map you don’t have (which actually happens to me on Call of Duty 4 on xbox live). Then again, i’ve never played TF2 on a PC, so i don’t know what the experience is like.
The main problem with the xbox versus the PC isn’t with the games or controls in my opinion, it’s with the number of people you can play online with, for xbox live i believe there are only about… 8-9 million people signed up, whereas on the PC there are umpteen millions of people to play with/against. it’s one of the main reasons i play TF2 less on the 360, because everyone’s pissed off to play Halo 3 - which is alright mind you, but it’s too schizophrenic - unlike TF2, which is schizophrenic in a good way.
167 Jimborb // Aug 25, 2008 at 8:48 am
was tempted to quote from Concerned regarding the “map you don’t have” bit but… well, i think EVERYONE here knows that one.
168 Jimmay // Aug 25, 2008 at 8:57 am
What I think is funny here is that Jimborb shows a fundamental misunderstanding of PC gamers. he asks us:
“How would the PC players feel if valve had charged for this content from the beginning? would you all have got the updates regardless because Valve is so much Win and Awesome? or would you have turned round and shouted “screw you Valve” because you were being charged money for other people’s hard work?”
The simple answer is this. PC players would complain their heads off, then buy the update, play like crazy, complain even MORE, and then keep playing and asking for more updates, which they will buy and complain about!
“Valv suks I cant beleiv we have to pay for teh new maps and acheivments and pyro needs nerf and sandvich is gay. Also how do u pose gun in hand?”
169 Robert64 // Aug 25, 2008 at 9:01 am
I had an idea. If Kleiner had managed to teleport Frohman into TF2, like in Concerned, what would his reaction be. The Frohman in CS:S comics were some of the best of concerned, with Gordan in a very alien world compared to City 17. I would really like to see Gordan’s take on TF2. If Chris is not going to do 1Fort, maybe 1 strip with Frohman in TF2? Please?
170 rammingspeed42 // Aug 25, 2008 at 9:04 am
Read one of Chris’ disclaimers, Robert64, and there is an emphatic “Frohman will NOT be in the comic.” Or somesuch.
171 n00bie51 // Aug 25, 2008 at 9:29 am
Kazill, you and I both have no problem getting our share of back stabs and head shots with the gamepad! I’m just saying, the mouse and keyboard is better, and it’s why there is much greater room for improvement in terms of skill for PC shooters.
172 Ledundead // Aug 25, 2008 at 6:19 pm
The PC is better for precision shots, like sniper, and for tracking quickly, like when beating someone down as Scout. Besides that, most weapons seem to be equal between the PC and 360.
173 HEDCHOT // Aug 29, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Ahhh, Dumkopfs. Hating on a console for no reason than the external appearance is no better than hating on a black man (or Cyclops) for his whiskey habits. Same with you idiots and the PC. The PC and the 360 have their quirks. Personally, I think the PC gets the dry deal in the long run with games. The few times they DO end up on top? Well, don’t let it go to your head, guys. PC gamers have gotten bad reps in years as elitist faggots who think that having a few updates in a VIDEO GAME entitles them to be dicks. No. I myself play TF2 on the PC, and I couldn’t be happier that the updates are coming to the 360. More happiness for them. See what I did there?
I was considerate.
Nothing you arbitrary dumbasses know about.
174 n00bie51 // Aug 29, 2008 at 11:23 pm
That consideration is certainly to be appreciated, HEDCHOT, but there’s more to feel entitle PC gamers into being dicks than having free frequent updates. For example, they could be mouse-and-keyboard purist and think no good game could possibly be played with a gamepad. They may also boast that the PC is the most powerful gaming machine. Also, they get to play TF2 online for free.
But yes, perhaps some of these people are indeed “arbitrary dumbasses.” :D
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